12th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism



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Evaluating intelligent design creation science and their opposition to material science or methodological naturalism.
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there are less ... ( 1 week ago by a01011399)
there are less primitive birds that predate archeoteryx therefore it can not be a transitional form,
The last 30 seconds ... ( 1 week ago by airandfingers)
The last 30 seconds of this video are awesome! Thanks for the insight!
What is "primitive" ... ( 1 week ago by airandfingers)
What is "primitive"? Less birdlike? Who's to say that birds are less primitive than dinosaurs, or that a transition cannot involve movements both toward the source and destination? This argument is clearly incomplete, probably just found online and repeated in an attempt to discredit Archeopteryx in one vague sentence.
for example there ... ( 1 week ago by a01011399)
for example there are birds without a bony tail that predate archeopteryx
I you organice all ... ( 1 week ago by a01011399)
I you organice all the supposed transitions from reptile to bird, (more reptile like first) you won´t get them in the correct order
"I you organice all ... ( 1 week ago by coasterpro)
"I you organice all the supposed transitions from reptile to bird..."
Determining the phylogeny of species based on morphology alone would be more viable if a single lineage had led to all species. But of course evolution has a branching structure. So its a good thing that phylogeny is not based on morphology alone but is rather corroborated by numerous dating techniques. This produces fairly accurate results and is a good predictor of gap forms that should exist.
"there are less ... ( 1 week ago by AronRa)
"there are less primitive birds that predate archeoteryx therefore it can not be a transitional form,"
No there are not. But it wouldn't matter if there were. In the middle of the 9th FFoC, I've provided a specific definition of transitional species agreed upon by both sides of this alleged controversy. I also explain a few dozen specific reasons why archaeopteryx is definitely transitional, and how it is no longer possible to distinguish birds from dinosaurs at all.
"for example there ... ( 1 week ago by jtyranus)
"for example there are birds without a bony tail that predate archeopteryx"
that doesnt make archaeopteryx any less transitional.
It still has theropod and avian traits therefore it is still transitional.
it does´t make it ... ( 1 week ago by a01011399)
it does´t make it less trastional but it makes it inconsistent with other fossils
´´that doesnt make ... ( 1 week ago by a01011399)
´´that doesnt make archaeopteryx any less transitional.´´
but it makes it inconsistent with other fossils, if you accept archeopteryx, you have to reject other supposed transitional fossils
"if you accept ... ( 1 week ago by jtyranus)
"if you accept archeopteryx, you have to reject other supposed transitional fossils"
I dont think you are getting it.
Archaeopteryx is showing that theropods were becoming like birds, whether or not it actually led to them or not. Also if some other ideas are supposed to be right like creationism, there shouldnt be any transitionals.
It might show a ... ( 1 week ago by a01011399)
It might show a transition as a whole, but we dont see specific transitions, for example we do not see a transition from scales to feathers, or a transition from tailed to tailless bird, we do find simple feather (protofeathers) and both tailed and tailless birds, but not in the correct order.
"for example we do ... ( 1 week ago by jtyranus)
"for example we do not see a transition from scales to feathers"
we see that in the development of feathers on modern birds.
You still cant change the fact that archaeopteryx is a transitional. It still has the bird and theropod traits in one organism.
There is simply too ... ( 1 week ago by a01011399)
There is simply too much room for interpretation o each fossil, it can easily be an unusual extinct kind of bird, in the same way bats and platypus are strange types of mammals, in fact I can also say that mice evolved in to birds and that bats are a transitional form, there is simply to much room for interpretation, and evolutionists force their own interpretations
"There is simply ... ( 1 week ago by jtyranus)
"There is simply too much room for interpretation"
No there isnt. you have a fossils with traits of two different groups, where one group is ancestral to the other. You cant interpret archaeopteryx any other way than to call it transitional.
The dubious protoavis which is what i assume you were referring to still doesnt change that fact.
It still shows a theropod transitioning into a more avian like form.
"if you accept ... ( 1 week ago by AronRa)
"if you accept archeopteryx, you have to reject other supposed transitional fossils"
No we don't, not one. Watch the 9th video in this series to see why.
Just to educate you ... ( 1 week ago by sockemhard)
Just to educate you on language history.
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth..." (Isaiah 40:22,NIV).
the Hebrew language at that time did not have a word for "sphere," only for "circle." In other words, spheres were called circles whether it was a globe or a ball.
This doesn't mean it was correct, this just gives you an idea of how one who argues with the bible needs to learn what grammar and words existed when it was written.
"the Hebrew ... ( 1 week ago by AronRa)
"the Hebrew language at that time did not have a word for "sphere," only for "circle." In other words, spheres were called circles whether it was a globe or a ball."
The word, "chuwg" in Isaiah 40:18-23 meant either "circle", circumfrence, "compass" or "whole", which is the most likely context in this case. Had they meant, "sphere", they could have said "duwr", the word for "ball" that was used in Isaiah 22:18.
What movie are ... ( 6 days ago by sonykroket)
What movie are these scenes from, about these scientists in the late 1800's?
I would recommend ... ( 6 days ago by sockemhard)
I would recommend more language language research.
"chuwg"
Used to define anything that is circle in 3D or flat.
On one hand it was used to describe a flat circle and in ancient Hebrew it would also be used to describe a shape of an orange, an apple, or a pomegranate which are more globe. It literally means that it is round or globe like in this sense. It is interchangeable with the shape of apple or a disc.
This is what a jewish friend of mine that resides in israel told me in an e-mail.
"It literally means ... ( 6 days ago by AronRa)
"It literally means that it is round or globe like in this sense."
But in the context of the statement, it doesn't make sense for the word to be either 'circle' or 'sphere'. It clearly means 'compass' here, as in 'whole'.
"What movie are ... ( 5 days ago by AronRa)
"What movie are these scenes from, about these scientists in the late 1800's?"
It's a documentary series, 'Darwin's Dangerous Idea' -here on YouTube.
wonderful video man ... ( 5 days ago by jrev37)
wonderful video man, please keep them coming.
Indeed science and knowledge is my true savior.
it saved me from ignorance.
""It's a ... ( 5 days ago by sonykroket)
""It's a documentary series, 'Darwin's Dangerous Idea' -here on YouTube. ""
Just watched it. Darwin is an even greater hero than i thought and way too modest as well, in my opinion.
It's strange to see the fight against religious ignorance still continues to this day, with these creationist-morons trying to gain control over society again.



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